all comes down to the virtual. it's not good for morale. they have tried to have happy hours et cetera, but the staffers aren't attending those. i think what is going on inside the vice president's office specifically she is rumored to have been very difficult to work with. when you are not actually able to know and be able to interact with people, it makes working for someone that's difficult even worse. >> julie: that's a good point. you need that one on one. that applies to all of us, not just the government. i want to move onto mitch mcconnell. we've all heard that he is urging senator joe manchin to switch to the republican party, telling "new york times" that he is quote, not welcome on that side of the aisle. what are the odds that mansion would switch? he has never indicated that he would do such a thing. but honestly, mcconnell would love it because they would gain control, the g.o.p. would gain control the senate. but unlikely. >> look, i think people need to