In this. >> people are really trying to assess what is life going to be like if donald trump wins a second term. on a personal note, these are torturous discussions about whether they have to leave the country to avoid being unconstitutionally and illegally detained. >> trace: torturous discussions. mcbeth with more subtle. >> i certainly believe that those conversations were torturous, 100%. i'm sure anyone who was involved in those conversations wanted to kill themselves, wanted to end it all right, then, and there be caused it is so over-the-top. i don't understand how they don't realize that. they don't seem to understand that to normal human beings, what they are doing is absolutely insane. it's not just dramatic, it's insane. using this as a level of attack to try to scare people is just lazy. it might have worked the first