you know, mounded police use their horses to control crowds and they move rapidly back and forth along the line of crowds to try and stop people breaking through. what you watched the police or the border protection forces doing down there was exactly what they are supposed to do, under great stress, and the great stress was caused by this government's -- this administration's blundering policies. so, yes, and it is dangerous because of course what the president and other officials are doing here is going to their reflex response, which is to blame white security forces for mistreating dark-skinned people. it is completely false. what it does is it undermines the people who are looking after our border. it undermines police. it undermines security forces. it just plays into the left wing narrative that this president and his officials seem to want to keep on blowing up. >> jillian: let's talk about