air defenses are still around, i believe you saw some contrails today surface-to-air missiles being fired from the capital into the sky shooting down russian jets. over 20 aircraft by some estimates with ukrainians, 40, 50 aircraft have been shot down, we haven't seen totals like that since the gulf war, since the 33rd fighter wing shot down 16 iraqi aircraft and 36 total. the numbers are staggering. there's no question the ukrainians are suffering too. when we first said that 4500 russian soldiers had been killed in the fighting to my people so that was high number. cbs estimating the estimate is 5000 to 6000 russian casualties. that's more than u.s. combat deaths in iraq war and afghanistan, these are world war ii numbers. >> 5 to 6000 russians killed, as many as 18,000 wounded and at