too excited about that because, again, if putin feels pressured, then you have the risk if it expands beyond the borders into nuclear exchange. that is the one thing we have to make sure we keep this contained in there so that it doesn't go out. if we can just keep it contained, putin will weaken himself for a decade or more after this thing is over. >> jesse: so that's the proxy war strategy that we have talked about. and i guess that seems to be working but at the cost of just countless lives and billions of dollars to the ukrainian people and the economy. the world economy. so, the nato is flexing our muscles? we have some war exercises taking place in estonia. i think they put out even some footage of it. there is going to be large scale nato war games taking place next week. tens of thousands of soldiers in norway. is that enough, lieutenant