We often talk about the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. but we don't talk about how hard it is, how many ways we are asked to walk away, how many instincts there are two walk away. the most natural instinct is to walk away. >> he is not walking away. but does joe biden know what it means to defend democracy? he certainly does not know that we are not a democracy, we are a republic. our founders rejected democracy and give us a constitutional republic. but i digress. and joe does not even know it is friday. so understanding a distinction like that is just asking too much. biden's idea of defending democracy is locking up his political opponent. >> how important do you think this conviction should be in this race for president? >> that is for the public to decide. one thing for certain is to stop undermining the rule of law.