so at the time come if you look at what the president would do, president obama would sit down h military leaders and he would ask them for their advice. and i said this yesterday. >> harris: shoot with a advised them not to? >> johanna: when we pulled out of iraq, that was orchestrated such that he called president bush to tell him that he was pulling out of iraq. everyone was ready to move the trip to afghanistan and focus on usama bin laden. he played out what is going to happen if, what is going to happen if, what is going to happen if. i'm not going to say that we are perfect. >> harris: for leaders would say not to move forward with lethal aid. >> johanna: i'm going to say again we are not perfect. but taking action in the middle east, it is never an easy situation. and what you've got to do -- >> harris: you think president trump is getting the same benefit of doubt that you are asking people to have the backing president obama? >> johanna: okay, president trump literally -- >> harris: answer the question. >> johanna: here is what i would say.