which, for me anyway, was: what's going on? americans are puzzled when they look around and see these things happening before them that are seemingly inexplicable. the coin toss is a pretty great metaphor, right? "maybe we will enforce the walls, maybe we won't." >> harris: wow. >> mike: to me, speaking personally, when you have the whole border conversation, and the whole migration debacle, and his humanitarian crisis, they are all separate conversations. then they are all under this rubric, this larger question, which i think is, do you enforce -- what happens to a country that doesn't enforce the laws they have on the books? what happens? it leaves reasonable, normal people to start feeling really profoundly disconnected from their government. if you have a law and you willfully ignore it, the unintended consequences of doing