>> julie: i used to like mr. magoo, for the record. [laughter] what is biden doing wrong, do you think? >> i have some reluctance to say this on national tv. >> julie: well, go for it. >> i'm going to go for it, julie. when joe biden was a child in school, he had a problem with a study. it is something he has fought his whole life. he doesn't like to talk about it now, but i think that is some of what we are seeing with some of these stumbles on the debate stage. he is so much better on a one-on-one setting. when he's up there, i think it's some of that old -- the old tapes, some of the old bullying he used to get when he was a child is coming back. >> julie: something else that's a little concern if you are bernie sanders is the fact that this report -- although obama hasn't come from this and says he will back any democratic is in a nation -- behind closed doors apparently he is saying that if bernie were to rise in the polls that he would come out and speak out against bernie sanders. do you think you would actually do that? >> i really hope for the party's