jeff, you know, you heard the president in that interview with lester holt, a part of which will air before the super bowl on nbc saying is he going to stick with the science. you know, the science in these democratic governors' eyes has changed. >> well, and the science or the data, anyway, has also changed. and i think that the white house is saying as well they should follow the data. the science has not changed in terms of knowing that masks prevent the transmission of virus. it's the amount of virus that's out there and whether it's at an acceptable level for people to take more of a risk without wearing those masks. that is the debate. >> bret: yeah. gillian, what has definitely changed is the politics have changed. >> yeah. you know, the president also told lester holt in that interview that he believes the science still shows that mask works which begs the question why he is not reprimanding or denouncing moves by democratic governors to rescind mask mandates in those states. sometimes politics and science, i guess, don't align, bret. >> bret: yeah, meantime,