space exploration. one's name is elon musk, and the other name is jeff peopleountry we investbezos. we praise musk around this table for his innovation, for helping to make things faster,ta cheaper, helped make us healthier, helpnd run more efficiently. he's still a believer that this is the futur e and happenis to believe that he's right. but we're not going to transition of t f oil and gas altogether. this is a matrix in a acre balanced calibration that has to be achieved over the next several years, right? >> it can't be done through mandateshi done th to that. >> that's your takeaway. what's your takeaway okay. who l >> g it's the consumer who will decide or not. >> the electric vehicles are going to be part of the mainstream. >> look, the consumers don't want it. when you havbehe meam. e hertz, who's going to sell 20,000 vehicles at a loss of something like $250 million of these electric vehicles because people don't even want to rent them. >> i mean, you've got a real$25m problem. and 57% of the people in this country don't want buy them.