you talk about this, being able to say what is just the truth without worried about getting canceled. >> kat: i do when i talk about how this current status of things is not good for anyone. if you are most important issue, let's say you are a trance rights activist, you shouldn't like this, either, because as we saw with geraldo and with me, at times, people in government, when you bring this up, people are like, i hope i don't say something wrong, and that is not how people learn to understand each other and have real conversations because just because you feel like, oh, you can't say that, people are still going to think it. you can't legislate people's heads. >> brian: there used to be race. black-and-white, now we're talking about gender. talk about gender now, it's crazy. >> kat: well-intentioned conversation should be allowed, as long as the intentions are good, let's talk to each other, let's get to know each other, we can all get along. >> jeanine: "the fastest" is up next. ♪ ♪