he's doing it and the wall is part of it. >> neil: so this move to cancel that $3.6 billion because his critics say he pulled a fast one, the secretary of defense and president as well, you think that would be a bad idea? >> absolutely. we've been saying a long time, the wall -- let's be clear. as part of the multilayered strategy of infrastructure, technology and personnel. everywhere along the southwest border that that multilayer strategy has been applied, it has worked. >> neil: i'm not even arguing the merits of the wall. if the president got some funding for the wall and appropriated other funds and to get, but not what he wanted, why go through that process and make it a charade, not you, and just taking it from somewhere else? >> i don't know what you mean by a charade. he asked congress to fund a wall -- >> specific funding for specific agencies and you've gone back, not you, and come back and taken