hours t was just yesterday ferguson's police chief resigned in the wakes of two justice department reports one clearing officer darren wilson in shooting death of michael brown. the other finding widespread and routine racial bias in the city's court system and police department. but around midnight a protest turned violent. here is cell phone video when the shots were fired. [gunfire] >> ah! [bleep]. >> oh. >> [bleep]. >> many firms say, it was a blessing a miracle that those two police officers were not killed. now the latest both officers reportedly have just been released from the hospital. mike tobin is following the story for us. mike? >> reporter: well, harris the latest scene here is six blocks away from the location of the shooting. if you look at the house behind me you can see some wood on the roof. that is what the police officers and tactical teams broke away from a vent going into the attic. what we watched them do, is take a camera on a stick and put it in the hole they created with the vent in the attic looking for someone they thought might be hiding inside. neighbors say the tactical team showed up about 5:00 a.m. they exited the house at one point with two men in handcuffs, one woman in handcuffs. that is not confirmed by police sources. police are only saying this is a scene that is directly involved in the investigation of the shooting of those two police officers. now st. louis county police chief jon belmar says this is a situation that keeps getting more difficult to handle. >> this is another layer that makes it very difficult for our police officers out there to deal with. i hope people understand that because it's a very tricky line for us to be able to walk. >> reporter: and harris you touched on the good news that both police officers have now been discharged from the hospital despite very serious nature of their wounds. the 41-year-old officer from the st. louis county police department was shot in his right shoulder. the bullet exited out his back. that 32-year-old officer from webster grove was shot around the cheek and the bullet is still in his head. harris, back to you. >> mike tobin with very latest in ferguson missouri. mike, thank you very much. we'll bring it out to the couch now. lou, i will start with you. what is going on here in ferguson, missouri, is not happening in a vacuum. i mentioned resignations in the police department and previous statements by attorney general arick holder looking at dismantling that department. your thoughts? >> plainly there are some forces at work here so many people who deserve considerable blame for fomenting an environment like this in which this could occur. chief among those in my opinion are the president of the united states and the attorney general and the way which they handled this community's crisis. we have seen far more charges and denigration from, originating from the justice department itself, rather than support and help. the community services division of the department of justice should have been doing far more. this president should have been talking far more postively and doing concrete work to improve the lot of this community that has been devastated economically. the work has not even begun. >> what is interesting about what you say and i mentioned the dismantling potential that holder said he was prepared to do that with the police department, and you wonder if that played a role, you knew you would have recurring protests and people showing up thinking there won't be as many police. you don't really know what is going through their mind. kirsten, i want to ask, you heard lou talk about that. >> i don't think this is anything to do with the president and eric holder. this is tragedy that happened. police officers got shot before barack obama got in the white house. there is stretch to say this is their fault. there are a lot of problems with this police department. i don't agree necessarily with the position white house took in terms of the police officer who clearly was trying to defend himself but this is a police department that i think has a lot of problems. >> you know, andrea, i want to talk to you how best you deal with that. rudy giuliani this morning was on fox news, he said there are businesses can't even get insurance right now. they have had to open and close so much they're in a danger zone. those officers were there protecting those businesses so people could open today and have jobs for the community have goods for the community. >> harris, wants to criticize them further. can only find denigration for that department. the justice department attorney general, the reason i blame the president and attorney general foremost, kirsten, is because of the type and style of leadership. these are men and women doing hard work. and -- >> are you willing to acknowledge bad things they did? i didn't only say deserve denigration. >> what are some of the bad things? what did they do? >> for the racial emails. there are stories that weren't even in the report of, there was one man who was picked up an like beaten and then charged for, you know, the clothes that he bloodied. there are things this police department have done are programmatic. to point them out is not to denigrate every single police officer. >> no, but the administration felt like they had to do something. you did say that cops get shot all the time. it is not a coincidence that last night -- >> i didn't say cops get shot all the time. >> you said it is not uncommon. >> unfortunately police officers do get shot. >> let me finish, last night, the police chief resigned. this was on the heels of the report that the department of justice put out. the department of justice has been inflaming this as lou points out for a long time. they couldn't bring charges bense darren wilson because the physical evidence of darren wilson's testimony corroborated and matched up. so they had to do something because they intervened and they flamed the racial tensions. and eric holder has proven, time and again, he is attorney general for the criminal, by the criminal and of the criminals in the united states of america. and it is way he handles immigration as well. they have taken this country back 50 years in terms of race relations. >> -- shot before barack obama. >> you think it is coincidence got shot last night, kirsten. >> i'm asking you a question. how do you explain -- >> it was random occurrence. >> you answer my question. >> i answer where youyour question you answer mine. how do you explain police officers have been shot before barack obama was president. >> this -- >> you can't prove that andrea. police chief said somebody came in not part of the community and was not, was not part of -- >> that is what it has become. it has become a magnet for people -- >> barack obama for this murder is attempted murders i think is outrageous. >> to be clear if i -- >> may i get here at some point? i know you're busy. >> i like to correct it. what i said chief among those i believe who deserve blame are the attorney general and president. would you like me to go through the list. >> kennedy, i would love to ask you about something. you mentioned going back in time. what about the next few hours? these have been recurring protests. another one tonight. >> this situation is so fluid and so critical and really difficult for police officers to do their jobs when they are doing it from a defensive position. this is such a tough time in history to be a cop. i'm happy my brother retired from the force of the having said that, ferguson has not been a virtuous place. it is not like cops are all saints and people there are all horrible. it has been a pretty miserable place. it has been a hard place to get a job and raise a family. once you get caught in the criminal justice system, which is why you're seeing a huge push for criminal just sis reform from the right. once you're in that system it is almost impossible to get out. that is why people are frustrated. we have to speak to the frustration on both sides. sometimes, as communities like that are a magnet for intense cops who can come in and really ruin entire department. >> that is salient point you say about calls for reforming justice, how we deal with law enforcement. being bipartisan. everybody wants us to get this right. this is fomenting at this point. people who are suffering, real people suffering outside of police officers and those caught up in crowds as bullets fly are the people who have to live every day. they want their kids to go to school. they want normality in their lives. they want dreams they had before this whole thing happened. get on the record what happened in the beginning because i don't think we talked about that michael brown was caught on video at a convenience store robbing and beating the mess out of the owner okay? then sought-after by police. go. >> strong-arm strong-arm robbery. which is ignored by the left. and the left activists. we have, picture of grammys people with hands up, don't shoot. it never happened. we have the president at selma talking about ferguson, not aberration in this country. that is absolutely nonsense. from the president of the united states. because it was an aberration. and it was specific to a community of 71% african-americans. it was an inverted, points to blacks just a decade ago. it as impoverished city. it's a town that has no future as of right now primarily because racial politics were played by the president and many of the -- >> ferguson had problems going back, lou ferguson had problems going back before michael brown? >> i don't know i have to acknowledge the point -- >> that is beginning of the story. that is the problem. >> that is your story to tell. i have thought -- >> to ahead. >> i thought i was asked the question. >> go ahead. >> because you have a much clearer sense of its history. >> no, but you say this is beginning of story. michael brown getting shot. it clearly isn't. that is problem with a place like this. you have to look at both sides. you can not demonize one said and say the other is saintly. >> that ace good point kennedy. >> that is a fair point. it's a fair point. >> obama administration, false choices. >> no, it is not a false choice. a realistic view. >> administration didn't look at both sides. i agree with you it is not a perfect police department, no question. i think eshoo we all agree on the fact pattern the administration using cnn was using was not based in reality hands up, don't shoot. >> no, reaction -- >> they propagate ad narrative that was not -- >> also shows what is true about the doj report. politicization of this. >> political decision. >> i agree with that completely. unfortunately gets us away from bigger pictures here we can fairly take a look at. >> what is the bigger picture. >> law enforcement and communities better place. >> surest way to deny reality of a situation, a problem, an issue is to expand it beyond the capacity to deal with it. that's what you're doing when you nationalize. if you focus precisely what happened in ferguson, you have a governor who did not send in the national guard. you have a governor who did not create an economic development project. you have a mayor who had no idea where in the dickens to turn for more help. you had community did not have leaders to represent. 71% of the community. how do you have a police force that is 90% white and in that community? >> but reaction is caused by years and years of buildup of. you have to realize that you can't conveniently choose the starting point to the narrative. >> what you're saying kennedy is so true. >> you just did. >> no you did, lou. i'm countering what you said. >> i injected details about that night, just as fact. not necessarily to communicate that it was a jumping off point just as fact because that is part of story. >> it was -- >> i clearly see there is lot more to talk about here. if they're doing this kind of talk in places where it matters in my estimation along with faith and prayer maybe we'll get through this in peaceful manner. that is what i'm praying for tonight. these kinds of conversations can bring about peace. we have another night coming. we want it to be a safe one in ferguson. let's move on. serious new questions about the secret service now after yet another embarrassing incident at the white house. oh boy. involving a top member of the president's protective detail. really? 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two secret service agents, two senior agents in fact, including a top member of the president's protective detail reportedly drove a government car into white house security barricades after, yep drinking at a late-night party last week. latest in series of embarrassing and potentially dangerous incidents from prostitution scandals to the breach last fall when a knife-wielding man climbed over the white house fence. made it all the way inside of the executive mansion before he was tackled and danced with. lou, i think that the secret service has had all these problems since they were shoved under the homeland security umbrella. what do you think? >> i they have certainly become visible. reality is homeland security is who arely mismanaged agency. but the this is, has new lip. there is a cultural issue i think, amongst these agents. i have flown with secret service agents all around the world. >> got your own detail upstairs. >> and real this is, it is time to say to the secret service, you're done. we need a new way because you can not protect the president of the united states with a bunch of party boys who frankly aren't demonstrating they're capable of doing the job. >> what is it about the secret service that has created this environment all they want to do is apparently go out and drink and get hookers? >> interesting what you say though about kind of maybe privatizing that or making it very different. i did a report a couple years ago amid another scandal. i went down to d.c. to peel back the uni don't know if you -- on i don't know. if you. they weren't really started as a protect detail decades and decades ago. they started as support for the fbi and money laundering. counter fit money. so my big question is as they have grown to do all these different things, maybe what didn't grow with it? are they really managed in such a way were they ever and we just got lucky back in the day? are they managing to handle the new threats to the president? because see the threats are different now. they're ever changing now. can they keep up? maybe if you think you can't keep up, you throw one back and pick up a lady? i'm not sure. >> andrea, you're a big fan of nypd. they have to tackle terrorism threats. they have a huge population to deal with. they have a leftist mayor who is deciding what is procedures they are allowed to follow. what can they do at the secret service to make it a better place and safer for those they protect? >> well, if the white house, knows about this which i would assume lou talks about this, institutional behavior that has been going on for decades. i've spoken someone used to be in the secret service off the record they will intimate that is case. secret service agents have issues with women and issues with drinking. it is a high-stress job. if i'm the white house i have to be furious. it has to come from the president and come from senior advisors because they're not doing their job. >> the problem kristin kirsten, we were talking about middle of the break. the problem is -- i'm not naming names offer blaming blame. >> it his her fault. >> no, it is not. supervisor on duty sent these two guys home. >> that is big problem. i don't know if it is fair, i think it is maybe some bad apples who are behaving badly. maybe they're all like that. i don't know. that hasn't been my experience with them but real problem is oversight and supervise source. you can't excuse that. the fact that you had people there who wanted to, give them sobriety tests. no let them go home. >> officers with seniority wanted to give them sobriety tests. they were thwarted. that speaks to institutional corruption. last word. >> i want to be real clear. secret service agents i flew with, with the president were first class. what has happened in the last 15 years is something something new. >> that was my question. what's changed? 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