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going to stay there this friday night. because "the five" starts right now! ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: well, we are going to talk to dana in a moment. you have to wait for that. but first, get to big advice from rush limbaugh to mitt romney. >> mitt, if you want the nomination, get together with your people, and think about trying to run to the right of newt. you and newt are both guilty of flip-flops, so mitt, why not flip to fool conservatives and see what happens? you won't have to resort to tearing down an opponent. you can tear down obama. what do you think got newt where he is, mitt? what do you think got trump where he was before he pulled out? tear down obama. >> kimberly: all right. there are fighting words perhaps. perhaps good advice. we go to the person that is the biggest man crush alive on rush limbaugh. yes, our own eric bolling. we're very proud. >> eric: what are you trying to say? becausevy a picture of rush with me. kilyou have a too too. >> eric: no, i don't. not yet. this is brilliant, genius. for a while, a couple of weeks now i said the republican nominees that want to be the nominee should start focusing on obama. start focusing on the job market and the bad economy. rush hit it out of the park. i wasn't even thinking about romney. i was thinking about the ones far right, more conservative like michele bachmann and ron paul or santorum. he is right. if romney moves far right and, you know, basically established republicans who don't want romney to go right, if he does this he will lock up the 20-25% he has had and maybe grab some of the far right conservatives he doesn't have at all right now. >> kimberly: that is a great strategy. >> andrea: based on the assumption that the g.o.p. primary voters are gullible. he should have take then advice three years ago. look, this is going to hurt his credibility more. we have less than 30 days to iowa. there is not enough time for him to convince a very shrewd and informed g.o.p. primary electorate that he is a conservative. now i do agree with you on going after obama. that is exactly why newt is where he is. the primary voters want obama out. and they don't believe that romney is the guy to k.o. the guy. i think he should go after obama. he needs to. but pretending he is a conservative, flopping back 30 days out from iowa, not going to work. >> kimberly: that sounded like the cheap fish at the market, flopping back and forth. >> greg: i have to disagree. to use a tennis metaphor, we're still in the third or fourth frame. there is still time for mitt to score strikes. here is the thing. this is not in my opinion about ideology. it's really an attack on boring people. the media likes newt because he is not boring. the media has a problem with mitt because he is boring. but we have to understand, that every single good thing in life has come from a boring person. the greatest president ever was clive hutchison be. you don't remember him because he was boring. >> kimberly: great point. >> bob: that was as good analysis as i heard in politics in a long time. let me weigh in here if i could. i like to weigh in on republicans. andrea is right, the problem that romney has to move right you have to have a substance to move right on. he doesn't have it. the idea that some of the guys haven't been attacking obama, they have all been attacking obama. that is what romney did all year. >> eric: romney attacked obama? >> bob: sure he has. listen, romney attacking is the whole idea that -- the ear piece doesn't work. the whole idea that him attacking anybody is i mean the guy is not a pit bull. he is a chihuahua. here is the problem. he has to make up his mind. this saturday is a big deal in this debate. he has to make a decision. is he going to go after newt gingrich? how hard is he going to go after him? can he go after him? first i listened to rush limbaugh and i thought he was lining up against newt here. as i look at it, i think he is taking mitt romney, rolling over romney here and would prefer to see newt, as a lot of conservatives would. the other people you mention, bachmann and the rest of the people, man i got a better chance to get the nomination -- >> eric: i didn't say they had a chance. i said if they were going to make their play a while ago, i they should have started to move against obama. not against each other. allow me. if he doesn't, if romney doesn't make a move to the right, he will continue to slide to newt gingrich. he is getting -- >> andrea: the best thing that mitt romney has going for him besides organization he looks like a president. he has money on his side. he needs more than that to get the deal done. >> andrea: he needs mojo and he needs to say something memorable. >> kimberly: this is the same guy we saw and rejected before. >> bob: there ain't nothing memorable about the guy. >> kimberly: that is my point. >> bob: one of the things about newt, i'm thinking of pulling back here on this. i have never seen more people raid against a guy, more than a raid against newt. there is a super pac, that is romney pac, blasted a nasty ad. i don't know if we have that. >> kimberly: we have it now. i know you love sound on tape. >> kimberly: greg has something pressing to say. >> greg: i've forgotten. >> kimberly: remind yourself. we'll get to you. >> why is this man smiling? because his plan is working. to brutality attack mitt romney and hope newt gingrich is his opponent. why? newt has a ton of baggage. like the fact that newt gingrich was fined $300,000 for ethics violation, or that he took at least $1.6 million from freddie mac just before it helped cause the economic meltdown >> kimberly: okay, you like it? >> greg: a good ad. but the candidate that would have to expose the media for its complicity in preserving the obama's power, the emperor has no clothes and the media provided the wardrobe. you a brainy, chubby kid, newt, against mitt, the teacher's pet. >> kimberly: i like that. >> andrea: look at the number of the other candidates. another thing that romney has going for him is ron paul and other candidates are splintering the vote. ron paul, he is going to stay in the race. he won't get out. he is launching attacks against newt gingrich. this is beneficial for romney. it may be romney's secret weapon. >> bob: but these are not trueed dyed in the wool conservatives. they're republican conservatives. that school left the republican party and hijacked by the wing nuts. and the tea people. >> bob: you contradicted yourself. you always say that the party is hijacked by the right. now you say the candidates aren't right. >> bob: that is exactly what i'm saying. you got that right. >> eric: wing nuts aren't relevant. >> bob: i think they are relevant. i said yesterday i think they have grabbed control of the republican party. >> eric: so why not move right? >> bob: you have to have something to move right on. >> andrea: they know he's not right. they know it's phony. that is the biggest problem. >> eric: move to the center, after you get the nomination. if you can move to the center, you can move right before the nomination clearly. >> andrea: general election is different from the primary. >> kimberly: i want your reaction. a fox news poll out that is taken sampling of december 5 december 5-7. plus or margin of 3% for those really in polls like bob. newt, 53%. romney, 47%. who is a true conservative? take issue with this poll? >> andrea: no, i don't. i mean i do think that the voters feel gingrich is more conservative. as bob said, none of them are true conservative. >> kimberly: are they right? >> andrea: yes, newt is more conservative. you will never have the perfect candidate. you're just not. the conservatives are more with newt. the country wants a conservative. the rationale that you need a moderate to win, i think in 2010, the liberal policies were rejected. people want someone to step in the batter's box and hit a home run and turn the country direction around in a single stroke. they feel that romney -- >> eric: you cannot do it from the middle of the road. >> bob: 20 million more people voting in 2012 than in 2010. >> andrea: that's what i'm saying. >> eric: >> bob: wing nuts voted in 2010 but the real people will come back to vote in the middle. either one will be killed by obama. >> eric: either one are going to beat obama. either one. >> bob: right now -- you're on. >> kimberly: right now, head-to-head mitt has the advantage in straight numbers against obama versus newt. we'll see what happens. anything can happen. coming up, the moment bob has been waiting for. oh, yeah. we'll take you on a trip to sin city where darren darren is living large with a bunch of cowboys and cowgirls. that is coming up next. don't forget to e-mail us. maybe even your lucky numbers. we'll send them to dana. she will play the numbers. come on and send them. we're at thefive@foxnews.com. >> bob: ride that bull, dana. ride that bull! ♪ ♪ >> bob: i know who that is! that is frank sinatra. it must be my lucky day, not only am i in the "b" block, unusual but i get to talk about what is happening in my favorite city, sin city. our lovely co-host dana perino is at the thomas & mack center in vegas. wait a minute, why did she get to go and i didn't get to the go? what are you doing in sin city? straightest woman in america in sin city? what are you doing? >> dana: you know what happened? since -- i think it's 1975 or '84. the national finals rodeo, the wrangle national finals rodeo has been held in vegas. you know i grew up out west. my uncle and aunt were coming to the rodeo and invited me. "the five" got to come along, too. we almost had an incident that the liberal bloggers would have loved. i won't tell you what it was. >> bob: what is that? bull cast ration or anything like that? >> dana: behind me there are the two big bulls. one is named white magic and he retired last night after giving a lot of cowboys a lot of trouble for many years. then he almost gave me big trouble. >> andrea: is the other bull named bob? >> bob: why anybody would get on those i don't know. i have advice. there is a massage parlor out there -- >> dana: oh, no. >> bob: you wouldn't like that one. >> dana: let's not do that. >> bob: it's a good place. moving on, they said get out of here. >> dana: i'll pass it on to the cowboys. >> bob: do not play blackjack if they change the dealer. they are bringing on someone cold. don't bet. eric, any advice? >> eric: dana, split all aces and a's and double down anytime you can. >> greg: dana -- >> dana: i didn't even understand that. >> greg: i wanted to ask you about down roping but i realize it's a rodeo. since you are in vegas, i want to be double down saloon, 4640 paradise road and ask for a bacon martini. >> dana: that sounds kind of good in a weird sort of way. yeah! >> bob: andrea is here, she's a vegas vet and used to walk around there a lot. i thought you like vegas? >> andrea: i do like vegas but i don't walk around a lot in vegas. i'm not a betting woman. are you gambling woman? >> dana: i'm not very -- no, i'm not much of a gambler. as cru know, as bob says, i'm a -- i'm the straightest woman in america. i got to come here and be part of the rodeo. >> andrea: one piece of advice. the shops at caesar's are great. i want -- >> dana: that's good. >> andrea: the bareback riding are you going to try? i will give you $100 if you try it. >> dana: there are saddle bronc and barbac bareback ride. it's very serious. what the cowboys used to do when they got together. isn't that what she meant? maybe i'm wrong. >> bob: you told an off off-color thing. >> dana: i've only been here three hours and it's getting to me. >> greg: you are standing in front of one of america's one of america's only shovel-ready jobs. >> bob: that is funny. >> dana: this is a shovel ready project all around this place. >> kimberly: i have good advice other than the rest of the debauchery. go shopping. make spa appointments. they have fantastic spas. not those kind of spas. the ones that do massaging in appropriate places. it would be great. go there. go to the encore spa. the wynn has a great one. there are great restaurants to eat there. don't do anything i did on my bachelorette party because that would be really bad. >> bob: i was saying in 30 seconds i'm supposed to ask you to bring a guest in. but i'll do it sooner because i want to hear from the guy. you have a guest? >> dana: you want to hear from this. this is don gay, eight-time world champion, world champion. >> in bull riding, yes, ma'am. >> dana: he watches "the five" every day. bob, he was telling me about the rodeo clown responsibilities. it figure that if this whole tv thing doesn't work out for you, maybe you could have an in through don. >> the inside track. we may need somebody in the barrel, bob. >> bob: i appreciate that. what happened to you as a youth that go you to get on one of those damn things to make a living? >> it was not my fault. my dad started a misquit rodeo and i had the world's biggest dirt playground. >> dana: now he does rodeo commentary for all sorts of rodeos including this one tonight. second to last night at the ten-day rodeo. you have people from all over the country. >> well, in the competition, the top 15 money winners in each event qualify. the world championships, they are decided by who wins the most money. it's been awfully exciting so far. >> dana: one thing i love about the western culture and life is the family atmosphere. you got a lot of families here tonight? >> all of my family is in the rodeo business. we actually, i got my brothers and his wife and kids, my mom and dad ae watching at home on television. we've got our own bulls that qualify for here. it's more of a lifestyle. >> dana: not just a competition. but the bulls as well. >> bob: how much does a cowboy win if they win the big pay? >> dana: how much do you win if you win? >> right now, each day, you have to be in the top six to win first place and it pays $17,000 per day. times ten days. whoever rides the most bulls has the most total aggregate points they win $45,000 bonus. it's not bad. they pay to play. they don't come out unless someone take your place a while. >> andrea: the closest i have come, i never rid an bull, but you taught -- [ laughter ] johnny utah on 52 and new york, i actually got on a mechanical bull and i stayed on. maybevy a chance. maybe i should fly out and compete. what do you think? >> you know the only difference is you see the bulls behind us, when you take out the fear factor, it's not that tough a deal. once you get on, the extreme games it should be bull riding because i've never seen a skateboard chase anybody down after they get off. >> bob: you got a future in tv. no question about it. funnyer than most people i know anyway. okay. listen, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. dana take care of yourself. we'll see you later in the show. stay off of that bull. >> andrea: we'll see you later. >> dana: i'll introduce you to miss america rodeo queen. >> bob: good. that's what i want to see. coming up, professor in iowa takes a shot at the troops. we'll tell you what he did. stick with us. ride it, baby! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greg: welcome back to "the five." at iowa state u., the holiday republicans started a holiday package drive to send goodies to troops overseas. candy, socks, toothpaste and puzzle stuff. basically the stuff bob softlifts on saturday night. normal people embrace this, but academics are not normal people. take instructor thomas walker who penned a note mocking the drive where he said, "aren't girzzs paid enough to buy what they need and even what they want? what are the troops doing for us? nothing. but against us, they are doing a lot, creating anti-american terrorists in the countries they occupy." oh, yes, there is that "occup "occupy" verb again. why the word comes from tenureed self-absorbs twits who consider nose ring an achievement and academics are full on clowns? is it because carnivals no longer hire. it could say that jerk wrote the letter to impress the naive coeds but maybe he needs a real education. how about everyone watching this show now who has a loved one in the military, send him a christmas card. care of iowa state university. it's in ames, iowa. zip code is 50011. include a photo of that loved one inside. add a note explaining what they are doing for us. not to much is care package but a why you should care package. >> andrea: i don't know if we can recover from that. >> greg: want to go to break then? >> bob: can i get out of here real quick, everybody is looking at me saying are you going to defend this guy? >> greg: i don't think you are. >> bob: i'm not. don't assume that somebody like this, i know why we do this. some people think is a good example of a liberal. liberals are not like that. most support troops. this is a punk. if you want to do something cool is put cat pee in that. >> kimberly: that's gross! >> greg: don't do that. no. because that will get you in trouble. which we're talking about a nice gesture, a christmas card filled with nice picture of somebody serving our country. you are polluting it. >> andrea: that christmas card you were going to send, keep it. >> greg: i bet. probably from someone you dated. is this why students coming from college are screwed up and unskilled? they are taught by freaks like this? >> eric: or watching "the five" and listening to freaks like this. >> greg: first he talked about how liberals aren't that bad. then sends evil letter. >> andrea: with cat pee. it's disturbing. this guy is a disgrace and might deserve the cat pee. >> bob: it's spreading! producers said enough of that. >> kimberly: yeah, yeah, yeah. >> greg: here is the thing, to me this is not the liberal bus academics are cliches or we don't hear about the nice ones and we only hear the bad ones? >> andrea: there are a lot of bad ones doing bad things. there are a lot of wackie liberals. >> bob: whackie conservatives. >> andrea: i was at syracuse university giving a speech. even the college republicans and democrats can come together on this issue. if you read the letter he wrote he was talking about defense spending and so many poor people. irrespective of what you think of the war, the country has had a long history of supporting the troops. >> greg: what i love about this, he said in the letter money should be spent on veterans. i think he did it as a sin can cover to back the military. dish cynical cover to back the military. you can do both! >> bob: if you put liberals in this boat with him i'll send you home withd >> greg, please no more. >> bob: then don't assume it's liberals. >> bob: maybe he should be out of a job. >> greg: coming up, is trump losing his own debate? 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