toupport it and my senate colleagues to support it as well. >> charlie: then the president went on the air this evening to address the nation and talk about the incalculatable dama if an agreement isn't reached. >> basally the debate has centered around two different approaches. the first approach says let's live within our means by making serious historic cuts in government spending. let's cut domestic spending to the lowest level it's been since dwight eisenhower was president. let's cut defense spending at the pentagon by hundreds of billions of dollars. let's cut out waste and fraud in health care programs like medicare and make adjustments so medicare is still there for future generations. finally, let's ask the wealthiest americans and biggest corporations to give up some of their breaks in the tax code and special deductions. this balanced approach asks everyone to give a little without requiring anyone to sacrifice too much. it would reduce the deficit by around $4 trillion and put us on a pass to pay downur debt and the cuts would be the be s abruy from helping businesses and families get back on their feet naep approach is also birtisan. while ma aren't hpy with the cuts enough are willing to accept them this the burden is fairly shared. while the republicans would like to see deeper cuts and no revenue there are many in the senate that said yes, i'm willing to put politics aside and continue the approach because because i care about the problem and to his credit this is kind of approach the speaker of the house, john boehner was working on with me over the last several weeks. the debate isn't about making tough choices. democrat and republicans agree on the amount of deficit reduction we need. the debate is about how it should be done. most americans, regardless of political party don't understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her medicare before we ask a corporate je owner or the oil companies to give up tax breaks other companies don't get. how can we ask a student t pay more for college before ask hedge fund managers to stop playing taxes at a lower rate then they're secretaries. how can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don't need and didn't ask for pop. that's not right. that's not fair. we all want aot that lives within its means but therere still things we need to pay for as a country. things like new roads and bridges, weather satelte and od inspection. services to veterans and medical research. so defaulting on our obligations is a reckless and irsponsible outcome to the debate and republicans leader agree we must avoid default. but the new approach that speaker boehner unveiled today which would temporarily extend the debt ceiling in exchange for spending cuts would force us to once again face the threat of default just six months from now. in other words, it doesn't solve the problem. but do you know what people are fed up with most of all? they're fed up with the town where compromise has become a dirty word. they work all day long, many of them scraping by just to put food on the table and when these americans come home at night bone tired and turn on the news all they see is the partisan three-ringed circus in washington and leaders that can't seem to come together and due what it takes to make lif just a little better for ordinary americans. they're offended by that and they should be. the americ people may have voted for divided government but they didn't vote for a dysfunctional government. >> charlie: and there was more. >> the united states cannot default on its debt obligations. the jobs and savings of too many americans are at stake. we told the president in january was this, the american people will not accept an increase without reforms. it's not about president obama and republicans or congress and the white house. it's what's standing between the american people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families. i've always bref believed the b the government the smaller the people and we have a government so big it's sapping the drive out of people and keeping the government fromming from full capacity. the solution is not complicated. if you're spending more than your taking in you need to spe less of. there's no symptom more menacing than our debt and we begin to liberate our economy and our future. charlie: we'll are have much more on the story tomorrow from new york and washington. also this evening phil mickelson. the great golfer stops to talk about higame and passions. >> i play my best when i'm challenged. the more challenging the shot the better i pull it off so i have to challenge myself. i can't hit a seven-iron lay-up shot if i can reach it way hybrid or three-wood i have to challenge myse. >> charlie: we conclud the evening with steve carell and the new film "crazy, stupid love." >> when people try to be funny it doesn't necessarily work that way you play it honestly and it evolves by that and by the same token if an actor is known for comedic work goes to do a drama you don't have to walk around with a frown on your face because you're on a drama. people don't know in life -- they don't know whether their life is a comedy or drama. >> charlie: the battle in washington and the golf of phil mickelson and the acting of steve carell when we continue. funding was provide by the following: captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: phil mickelson is here. he has won four grand slam events the masters and pga once and still looking for his first british open. he has won 39 times on the pga tour and beyond golf he has a passion to instill achievement in the classroom. he and his wife amy instilled the mobile one teachers academy to improve childhood learning in math and science. i'mpleased to have phil mickelson at t table for the first time. >>hank you, charlie. we talked about this for years since we first talked about it. >> charlie: m doing the conference and sitting up and you're there and you and y are there and she had a head on her shoulder and i said these people have been married for a while but they look like teenagers. >> she's a special lady and has made life enjoyable for me. >> i couldn't believe how much you knew about so many topics so for me to come here is intimidating. i want you to know that. >> charlie: thank you. let's talk about the notion that we need high achievement in math and science if we can compete in the best sense of the world internationay. >> you're right and reelly it will be a long-term solution. it's a plan we're trying to implement the last six, seven years to try to solve a 15, 20 year problem and most recently ranked 48th amongst coutries in math and science and that needs to ange. >> charlie: what do you do at the academ >> we need to inspire our kid in the fourth, fifth and sixth grades where they wair or a inspired. we're trying to give our third, fourth, and fifth-grade teachers the tools to inspire kids in the math and science fields. we want them to learn by asking questions to learn by doing oppose to learn big textbook. a lot of the teachers have not been given or acquired accreditations. 97% don't and have to teach a wide variety of subjects and not as confident. >> charlie: are your kids interested in math and science. >> they love it and part of that is mom and dad and they're favoriteubjects are math and science. when we travel my wife amy takes them to museums throughout the country and world and they get to see different parts of the world and great assets of each city and ask questions. they ask about space. that's my fascination. >> charlie: she said he's an astronaut in a golfesody. >> that' a fair assessment. i've finally run out of things to talk about ieel like they have a good knowledge base. >> charlie: this is a combination of exxon-mobilehe company. what's the relationship there. >> we formed a partnership in 2005. i could never do this without a company like exxon mobile. there's no bigger company tt gives back than exxonmobile. they give back and their foundation gives hundreds o millions every year and hire 14,000 scientist and engineers so this a perfectit for us to try to solve our achieve this goal that very long term. >> charlie: let's talk about golf as well. the british open. this is a friend of mine said please ask him about a three-foot putt so i'm asking you about a three-foot putt. >> i missed on 11 which i think ultimately cost me the tournament and derailed me and got me out of the mental focus i had. i get my mind slip and started focus go ahead. >> charlie: what darren clarke might do. >> i started thinking about the 12th hole. i'm on 11 and the next shot and how to birdie the next hole and other things than making this putt were going through my mind and that's something i have to work on. i have to work on my focus. missing a three-foot putt is a mental focus. >> charlie: you call it a brain freeze. >> yeah. >> charlie: what ha happene at e round. >> i've had a few breaks throughs in links golf is one is getting a shot that doesn the wind so a drive that doesn't even have an apex to its flight and gets rolling on the ground quick and i've been able to get the ball in play better than i've ever had and didn't have a big miss. i didn't have a big miss the whole tournament because i was table to keep it on the ground and will help my links play in the future but almost got me to victory this year. >> charlie: when you're in a groove does the hole look this big when you're putting. what happens? >> it becomes more reactionry like throwing a ball. you just throw a ball. when i'm playing like that i just see the target and swing and the ball goes where i want and when i'm putting the ball goes in the hole. >> charlie: when your phil mickelson do you have shots like weekend golfers like me do. >> usually there's something i'm working on but when i'm playing well it's not a swing thought as well as a swing feeling. >> charlie: a rhythm. >>'ll try to acquire the feel before i hit it. >> charlie: how do you do that with a practice swing or what? >> no, like a mental visualization and try to get the feel of the draw or fade shot. >> charlie: as a young golfer and amateur golfer and professional golfer and people talk two things about you, one is the incredible short game you have is that practice? is that something natural and gifted. >> it's practice and passion. i d a chipping green in my backyard and before i could go to the course and drive myself there i would go to the backyard and chip and putt and i would get tired of hitting the same monotonous chip over and over and go behind the avacad avacad and when i'm in competition i feel comfortable trying the risky shots because i've done it before. >> charlie: one thing they said to you is you don't have to take the risky shots. sometimes the odds are against you. >> true, but here's the thing, charlie, i play my best when i'm challengeed the more challenging the shot the better i feel it and pull it off. i have to challenge myself. i can't just hit a seven-iron lay-up shot with a three-wood. part islaying the odds. if there's a st where i can't miss it and risk a shot to gain half a shot then i won't do it. i try to be somewh mathmatical about it and analytical but there is a point as i said to bones in the final round at the masteron 13 i was in the trs and had to hit it between a couple trees and i said to bones after three times he tried to see make sure iwanted to do this i finally said, bones, listen at some point in the golf tournament if we're going to win we have to execute and trust my swing and my ability and execute the shot and this is the ime. i was able to do it and ended up winning the tournament. >> you put the shot how close? >> four feet and then missed the putt. that's what i mean, the easier the shot the more my mind wanders. >> charlie: i bet you won the tournament. >> but same at the british oep own. the hard the shot. >> charlie: will you work on that with someone else or something you will think through yourself? >> a bit of both. i'll have to work with somebody for direction and the mind's like a muscle a the more you use it the better it is and have to practice harder on three-foot parts and i have a drill where i do 300 in a row and i didn' spend timen the short puttses that time. >> charlie: i once read that you were not necessarily a great driver. not in terms of distance or certainly in terms of keeping it in the fair way, is that fair? >> that's a fair assessment. >> charlie: is that true today? >> i don't feel it is true today -- i think in 2007. >> charlie: what you said of yourself not somebody else. >> i made an effort to address this and started working with butch arman and we have within focussin focussing on the drive ball and they've been much more refined to the point where i'm not playing from the trees as much. i may play from the rough but not as far offline. as we stand here four years later 2011 i feel like my drive's never been as good. >> charlie: you mean in accuracy and distance? >> correct. but over the last t years i haven't been as mentally sharp or positive as i want to be on the golf course and i wanted to change and it was evident at the british open where i had a whole different mentality of being on the way back to playing the way i'd like to play and the way i always have played and with a much more positive fun outlook. you saw me smiling and i was enjoying the challenge and that brings out the best golf in me. when i try to zero in andlay focussed like tiger i don't play my best. i play tight and with pressure and don't play and swing freely. >> charlie: what was the genius of ben hogan? the consistency of the swing? >> he found out what was best for him. the secret for him and every individual has to find out what works for your golf swing. look at j furyk it's different than anybody else and maybe wouldn't recommend it but he knows his golf swing better than anybody and if he's got water down the right he knows how to make sure in his swing it doesn't go right and that's how to control your miss and take the golf course out. >> charlie: what do you most understand about your swing? >> for me it's different. different than say anybody else but there are keys in my swing i'll do to take one side out of the fair way or not. for instance, once i have trouble my head position. if i keep my head back from impact i'm going pulling it a bit so if i have travel as a left handed golfer to the left give the club more time to close and if i have trouble down the right-hand side then i'll move forward giving the club less time to square up. >> charlie: what's the difference between good amateurs and good pros. >> short game. >> charlie: it is short game? >> yeah, 70% of our shots are played within 50 yards. it's a huge percentage. we talk about science andhis is exactly how science has helped my game using math and statistics where to practice. it's not necessarily how well you put but where you putt from. th numbers are your favor. geing the chip shot inside a three-fo circle or four feet is so iorta relative to hitting it five feet that mathmatics you'll save 20% of your stroke. >> charlie: what's the difference in the execution of your game and let's say rory milroy. >> i don't know his game specifically but he's got a show game and the best is ballesteros. >> charlie: he was a hero of yours? >> he was and i watched him play as a kid. >> charlie: and a risk taker. >> very much and that charisma and the go-for-it style but his technique and feel and touch d creativeness the ability to see shots befo he tried to play -- >> charlie: you wanted to play like he played? >> i did. >> charlie: it was said you were watching the masters a home and you watch somebody walk up to palmer on the 18th and said some day i'm going win the master. >> it was when he was winning the masters on 18 on the last fairway and giving it fist pumps and i turned to my mom and he had i want to win the tournament. >> charlie: what's in instructive for you is you're consntly examining andooking at your game whether it's a short gamer i understan they got you to show up and play the week before the masters the year you won it first time. >> yeah so in 2004 was the first year i won and i said i need help and guidance. >> charlie: what you said was interesting, if you can help me with a quarter of a shot over four rounds that's one stroke. i can win. >> right. and that's what i won by one stroke. >> charlie: what do you say? >> we're dealing with fractions that the point and he said my goal is to ve you play a major ampionship without surprises. what that means is if i hit a good shot i don't want to hit in a shot where i don't have another shot or miss in the wrong spot. i want to know if i hit a good shot it's playable. everybody's going hit ba shots and if i miss in the wrong spot and take a bogey that's fine but we don't want for me to hit a good shot and not have a shot from there and we hit multiple shots from the areas i was going play and knew the pin on two middle left i have to be to the right and so i would hit the ball in his second shot 40, 50 yards away and practiced so in the tournament i knew how i'd react. >> charlie: many of us that are plans and play the game h to hope for a mickelson-tiger woods rivalry. will that ever happen? >> when he was playing his best he brought me to my best but never had head-to-head rivalry but in the final group he beat me good and in 2007 my head-to-head record against him from betting beat like a drum i started pulling ahead and my record's been better but we haven't been able to do that in a major championship yet. >> charlie: what are your expectations for im? >> there's nobody in the game that's received or benefitted more from tiger than myself. >> charlie: because? >> for a number of reasons. for one he dve the purse up and drove up the tv ratings and increased the marketing expectations as his performance off the golf course and companies would pay him the value -- >> charlie: raised the endorsement value. >> that raises the value for all players on tv and nobody's been able to capitalize on that better than i have and i will always be appreciative for what he's done for me and my family and my game of golf. >> charlie: at best how good was his game? >> beyond description. i've seen him hit shots that nobody else in the game could hit. >> charlie: li what? give me an example. >> we were playing in flint, michigan and i could maybe hit a drive and run up a three wood and if i landed a three wood on the green it would release in the back and he hit a two iron on that hole that rose and climbed so high in the air when it fell down it ce invertcally and the ball stoppedtown six inches of the divet and there's nobody else in the game that could have hit that. >> charlie: do you think if he had stayed healthy and played kind of golf he did before all the events that ha happened in life you could have beaten him head-to-head. >> in the lastew years i have been able to so i believed it even when i wasn't achieving it. i thought it was possible and he brought out my best game and got me to work harder and practice harder. >> charlie: like mcenroe and borg and he to this day is so upset he retired believes the competition and borg's game made him as good as he was. agree wh that and i agree you need someone to push you and in high school i had a rival and in college another would go out and practice and push each other to get better and stlag common opponent is drive you helps you. >> charlie: do you think how many ma majors you could win. >> i believe i'm playing better golf than i have and the coming four and six years will give me the best oortunity to win majors and compete. >> charlie: so you may 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