rights, protecting roe v. wade, all of those things become so much more important for joe biden going forward. >> yeah. i guess you make a very good point because when you think about the president ford legacy, so much of it is wrapped up in watergate, a ginormous story, not necessarily larger or smaller than that of finishing up in vietnam certainly, but it was so big that to your point other issues can really dominate the legacy of a president. >> i think that's exactly right. remember, with gerald ford, too, vietnam was not gerald ford's failure. it was a war that was more or less begun by john f. kennedy, escalated by lyndon johnson. richard nixon took it over and deepened the war, if not with troops with bombs. gerald ford was at the vend of of -- the very end of the failed war. the same is true for joe biden. joe biden has been advocating exiting afghanistan for the better part of a decade, so this