the attorney for ivanka and don jr. indicates they plan to appeal, but, david, you have covered the trump businesses very closely. how big of a deal is this and what are your expectations from these three trumps? what are the chances they work with the court and to answer the new york attorney general's question? >> well, i think their lawyers will tell them to plead the fifth. we know that because eric trump the president's middle son, has already appeared before the new york attorney general, has already gone through his deposition and according to the ag he took the fifth more than 500 times. that's because there is a criminal investigation looming in the background run by the manhattan district attorney and the new york ag that's looking at the same sort of material. so you can see why their lawyers might say don't say anything in this civil case that could be used against you in the criminal case. i'm so interested in this, though, because for trump a deposition is an environment so unlike any environment he has tried to create for himself. he keeps all these secrets because he wants it to be when he says something about himself even if it's a bald face lie