his campaign made clear he wants to see the amazon burn down or torn down and opened up for mining and agra business. it's really just preposterous, and as you mentioned earlier, reminiscent of the kind of flip-flopping that president trump uses to hide the ridiculous remarks that he makes. >> are there things -- final question, are there things the international community or people that are watching this right now and feeling that feeling of sort of like infinite sorrow can do? >> yes, definitely, and i really recognize that feeling of impotent. i'm feeling it myself. our office has been flooded with phone calls and e-mails of people wanting to help and wanting to jump in airplanes and help put out the fires. and that's a really admirable and understandable feeling. unfortunately those of us here in the states and around the world, regular citizens or small ngos we can't hop in a plane and put out a fire. that's the responsibility of the brazilian government, but there is a lot we can do.