out? >> i think that in the 2020 election, the thing we have to remember, we look back at 2016 and it was -- we look at it like it was the big dumpster fire year. it was insane. there was so much unhinged rhetoric coming out of trump and his supporters. everybody was at each other's throats. they thought he would lose, even people who supported him. now we're going into 2020. he has two supreme court justices that he has been able to get on the court. the promised land of more conservative justices on the supreme court is around the corner if he can win re-election. now they know he can win. they're going to come out in my opinion, evangelicals will come out in record numbers. >> do you think the point about the president's psyche -- i think this is an interesting story if only because i think it will obsess donald trump. if you have, for instance, three