involved in the shakedown scheme. yesterday, as you noted, this in part motivated this effort by the republicans to obstruct. ambassador taylor as you read in "the washington post" and i think that statement in "the post" shows indeed there was a shakedown scheme but it wasn't just a sharp straight down line to donald trump to giuliani you see it was also donald trump to ambassador sondland. you have donald trump with these directives trying to use your taxpayer dollars to extort the ukrainians for his personal benefit. >> do you think -- what is your understanding of the argument your colleagues are making about this right now? they seem undecided between no quid pro quo, there was a quid pro quo or everything is fine. >> yeah, so, one, it should be noted that we passed in 2018 in congress aid for the ukrainians and then a process was put in place for that aid to come to them. in many ways, aid is binary in