lot more sense. to make the argument that the ukrainian policy is very important to the interests of the united states, that's not for your average person on the street. >> yeah, they don't care. >> and if you were going to appeal to those people on the street, you wouldn't go there. you would simply say this was american policy and the irregulars were not pursuing that. this is an argument to box in those half-dozen, 7, 8, senators who are going to be falsed with a difficult vote. donald trump is not the type of person who's going to say i'm going to release you on this one. they're going to come in and he's going to attack them because he can't have this be in any way other than party lines. and if they vote with trump, then every person who runs against him in every election has to say one thing to point out to say you're either with trump or against trump. and you're with trump. and susan collins and jody and