and two people who have been closely following the impeachment process. msnbc contributor and elizabeth who sat on the house judiciary committee during the watergate impeaches, and author of "the case for impeaching trump." you know there's two stories that have been going forward with over the last month or two. there's the story of the whistleblower complaint that became the impeachment inquiry which will likely be the impeachment over the extortion of ukraine and the two intersect. their activities in ukraine and furthering the president's extortion plot are part of what they're indicted for. how much do you see these two roads crossing? >> extensively given these two men were essentially acting as intermediaries between rudy giuliani and the president.