from los angeles, a veteran of the department of justice. neal, what do you make of today with 3 minutes, 22 left in the vote? >> well, i mean, i was struck by -- i'm thinking about this more historically, brian, as a constitutional law professor and i was struck by something chris said, which was there was no defense of the president's character or really his conduct. they attack the process and things like that. but as we think about moving beyond the nano second of 2020 and ask what is donald trump's legacy going to be, i think even this party even with all the sophistry we heard today couldn't muster up a defense of the man. and i think that will condemn him in the eyes of history regardless of what happenps in the senate, it will be the first line everyone says about president trump for the next hundred, 200 years, president trump who was impeached and then