of justice is going to be upheld and followed or is it something where down the line maybe it can be reversed and you get into trouble for being a whistleblower. >> that's a great point about what has been set up with by this one action. thank you both. >> thank you. >> joining me now is the former u.s. army officer and iraq war veteran. the co-founder and former chairman of the vote vets advocacy group. i know that you feel strongly about this case. how do you feel about what has happened? what we learned from the testimony and what the president's involvement here means? >> when you watch the veterans talk, you can feel the pain in their voices. we can talk about what this means for the united states and foreign countries. we could talk about what this means for our troops currently on the group in combat.