afghan war. we all along, each president had said, were winning or going to win. bush, obama, trump all said we're going to win. even though the signs were at best we can hope for is a stalemate. there hasn't been accounting. and congress has been missing in action on that too. >> yes, it definitely has. one last question for you. you mentioned the rural areas in women particular who live in the rural areas. i wonder how much of that plays into what we've seen over the past few days? this idea that the taliban can just take big areas, because all the people in the rural areas, they didn't feel any attachment to the government and campbell. for them maybe, well it doesn't matter who's in charge. their lives remain pretty poor, and pretty desperate. >> it's important to understand how the united states lead, or held up this tenuous afghan state. and it's largely through air support. through incredible bombings, in fact the united states dropped more bombs in afghanistan in 2019, than in any previous year