mainstream among the american right. and you note in the piece that there were a lot of people who had come to kenosha in a similar way and set up shop. to be clear, there had been violence, there had been sort of exchanges with people protecting a store and someone trying to break into it and getting hit with a break so it wasn't this completely peaceful scene and these folks showed up. there had been chaos, there had been violence. and then you relay this conversation that's happened. there's a streaming host there who's -- you call him a junior cousin to alex jones. and he's walking around this thing. he says i've got friends on the other side too, streaming show host chris tan harris told one paramilitary he met on the street. we tried to have conscious conversations. you can't have that anymore, man. that stuck with me. >> it's a striking moment among many. one interesting thing