kids. who are 19 and 16 and they laughed. they're not going here. they're not going to mark zuckerberg's metaverse. but they are -- people are interested in this idea because it's a big idea to combine physical and analog. apple is working on stuff, amazon is working on stuff. they're all working on this idea, but it will come from someone not facebook. somewhere else. the concept of it. which has been around, by the way. this is not a new concept. . >> yeah, i read a interesting piece in the atlantic about people working about something along these lines all the way back in 1997. kevin, maybe you could give a little bit of what it actually needs. i think it is a little hard to get your head around. my understanding is, it's essentially an immersive virtual worlds in which you interact with other people and maybe there's a we hear that you physically interact as well as virtually? as virtual>> yes, it's a little confusing. the meeting has shifted over