the times that she was killed. >> first of all, this is a person by her own admission finds god. she finds this community of people who believe the same way. and that this is the path to god. what's interesting about it, and it's something i've seen overseas, is that radicalism happens at this kind of intersection between destitution and disinformation and demagoguery. america has had destitution and disinformation, but was kind of unique in this era's demagoguery. you have the presence of donald trump, who was seen by people as a demigod. he was able to channel the destitution, take the disinformation and say, look at your societal ills, i alone can fix. them if you follow me, i can fix your problems in the society. whether it is saving the children, or whatever. so he has that grip over people. people are willing to march for him and follow him all throughout the capital. in some ways, it does become -- when you spoke to her sister, she described as people whether it's people in that sobriety