one of the parties has become essentially anti-democratic in a profound way. that's the big story of 2021. so in this episode tonight two people who have been really at the forefront of identifying, warning and then fighting against these tendencies. one of those people is sharelen ifill who might be familiar with you. she's actually stepping down next year. she's one of the most remarkable lawyers, legal thinkers, social critics that we have, one of the very best voting rights lawyers in the entire country. so i got to talk with her about the state of civil voting rights in this country and the nature of american democracy, what it has been, what is now and what it could be. first i spoke with gelman. he's a long time reporter, was at "the washington post" for a while, wrote about dick cheney, one of the nation's most