eighth, ninth, tenth, 11th, who were expressing their honest outrage about what they saw, and how the president responded. who then by, in kevin mccarthy's case, was looking the boot. it wasn't even bending the knee, it was looking the boot, to curry favor with the guy who -- they thought was a real threat to this democracy. >> quickly, finally, barbara, we've only ever seen bannon as the one who really just flouted it. he was referred for contempt, and is going to be prosecuted. everyone else has played it both ways. meadows was cooperating, then he wasn't. others have pleaded the fifth. others have cited privileges, that era. it's not like members of congress are just going to treat this like if it's nothing if, they get a subpoena. >> i think that's right. i think one of the things the committee is done well as his public shading, with a six-page letter, laying out all of the details about why they want to