and there is enough of that to demonstrate that the man, he is a guilty conscience, he's guilty, he knows what he's doing, george. >> look, he doesn't care about the law. he doesn't care about the rules, but he also doesn't want to get caught. and that's the thing about him. that's why you take the documents up to the residents, and that's why you may flush them down the toilet up there, because if you rip them off in the oval office, and leave them on the resolute desk, some functionaries and the company take that piece of the right to take them back together. and that goes back to the point that you're making, which is enough point that josh was making, again, the intent is to destroy the documents. and that's the only intent that's required. and [inaudible] there could be no question that people have told him, to that mister president. and they have to know the collecting trash and giving the stuff together. and if he's doing it some other way, so then it will take -- there's something going on