design which is to undermine western democracy and undermine western alliances and nobody does that more effectively than donald trump and now boris johnson. >> i think they don't understand it, mehdi, in part because there is this sense that donald trump and vladimir putin are fighting for, quote/unquote, western civilization. white, western, christian men. >> exactly. and what brexit and trump have in common is they were driven by racial racially resentful voters. immigration at the top of the list. both victories unleashed a hypernationalism and an illiberalism on both sides of the atlantic. we talk about donald trump disregarding the law, the constitution, ignoring subpoenas from congress. you have the prime minister of the uk saying openly that he'll defy the law passed last week preventing him from crashing the