the people, but in moments of consequence he disappears. in moments of scandal he suggests he knows nothing about it. he and ivanka are complicit. she hides behind her $5,000 dresses and $10,000 bags. mike pence has mastered hiding behind this professed evangelical humility. neither one are credible. i think they should set a schedule, say this is our schedule for hearings, you're invited to come and testify, defend yourself but we're voting on week 11. >> and you made a really good point because mike pence vanishes into the draperies whenever anything goes wrong. on the michael flynn situation he supposedly had no idea it was going on, was lied to and this is why flynn -- so he keeps on -- he's the excuse that he's just sort of the pristine figure, but not only is he involved in everything to your very point, the start of this conspiracy theory that donald