these things don't happen without high level signoff. there's no person saying i'm going to give rudy giuliani a call and connect him with the ukrainian government on my own. these are things that are going to the secretary's suite and he is signing off on. >> i want to clarify. lawyers are asking me how can they suddenly classify something that was not classified and in talking to some of your former colleagues who were senior veteran diplomats, they're overseas. they're on an open call, not a classified call with a counterpart in another government. the secretary is walking into a meeting, they want to brief her on it. they sent an e-mail, i just talked to minister so-and-so. suddenly that's becoming classified because it involved the minister of another country. or clippings on the iran computer action.