on their own. it brings me to jonathan allen's quote in what he wrote, "republicans are taking a decidedly trumpian approach to the possibility of a u.s. default, only a sucker pays debts. is that the legacy of the 45th president, that he just -- that the republican party now has been made in the image of trump and that is a guy who did not pay his debts. that is something we all know. >> to be fair the republicans didn't pay their debts first. every time says i'm a fiscal conservative i'm like, okay, you're a democrat? because republicans spend money and don't pay for it, wars, medicare part d, the trump tax cut, they don't pay for any of that. this was created overwhelmingly by republicans. the kind of spending the democrats want to do is good for the economy, health care, education, job opportunities. it's not like defense.