things seem to remain quite dark. are you surprised by that? what do you think it is going to take collectively for the country to move forward from this trauma? >> i'm not surprised by it, eamon, and it has been profoundly brought home to us by the declaration of my party this past week that january 6 was a legitimate political discourse when the country knows it wasn't. so when you have such massive breakdown and dysfunction of one of the major political parties, it tends to make that recovery that much more difficult. when you have people resisting, as we've seen with the vice president, how many months now since january 6? and he's just now saying donald trump was wrong? that has a stress on the country in so many ways. so the body politic, to michelle's point, is off. and to get it back on course is