on the other end of the spectrum, michael mcfaul says that to people should stop using the phrase, it's too hyperbolic. your thoughts on this, clint. >> it's been interesting to watch, particularly on what we're talking about what to do with putin, we jump to one poll or the other. jump in with a no-fly zone or it's gonna trigger world war iii, there's no middle ground between it. i disagree, i don't see anyone other than russia on russia side. it seems that china's really tilting or wobbling at this point to have a cold war, you really need multiple parties on two sides or more. so if you look back at world war i, world war ii, that's really what that was. separately, i think there is a stronger argument for a cold war. to me, that started the day edward snowden landed in moscow many years ago. and you've seen the incremental approach where you've had almost these proxy battles by putin advancing into many different countries, which she -- we've chosen to pay attention to ukraine, we did potential to the biden georgia, we didn't