would see between the legislative and executive branch but rather all these guys were basically team trump and they were all working toward the same end. >> everything doesn't relate to watergate, but this dark alley second government unofficially just like in the days of nixon, we had the plumbers out there, and all these people outside their official roles like rudy giuliani and someone head of omb, mick mulvaney, duffy, somebody over there and this guy solomon a fringy columnist for the hill, they're all working in league to push one mission that will eventually get trump re-elected. >> presidents often use or have used in the past private citizens as intermediaries in both politics and policy. we've seen that even with foreign policy. the difference here is what's alleged is that it was being used in furtherance of the president's own personal political interests.