ukrainian counterpart. so the first part, the first key piece of evidence that republicans point so is this. they say the july 25th call summary, the best evidence of the conversation shows no conditionality or evidence of pressure. here's the thing. these talking points, this spin, does not exist in a vacuum. house investigators have interviewed some 15 witnesses behind closed doors. they've released the transcripts of what? 11 of them that the american public can read through. and if you read through this tapestry of testimony, when you're left with is that the majority of the witnesses to varying degrees all point to what is a coordinated extortion scheme, a bribery plot that started in the spring of 2019 and carried through to september. that you that this phone call whether it's this phone call or another phone call president trump says he wants to release the summary of, that those calls did not exist in isolation. and so that is what these public hearings are meant to demonstrate, ali. >> what's your sense, and this