the more there is room for trump to argue, well, maybe he was doing all these crazy things at someone else's behest. maybe it wasn't for me. that's not a bad argument if you're trying to make a case for someone who doesn't have much of a defense. on the other hand, we know from trump, he was telling everyone go talk to rudy. he told that to the president of ukraine. he told that to sondland. everyone was told go talk to rudy. so i think rudy giuliani obviously is an important link. but the notion that he was operating for somebody else and not the president is going to be really, really hard to prove because we have trump's own words asking all of these players to consult with him. and we have from all these players, directions coming back from rudy giuliani. he is an absolute key figure. as is, frankly, the acting chief of staff mick mulvaney. as are the rest of the individuals at omb. going back to your earlier report. it is interesting at omb, we see the same pattern we saw at state