of things to come. >> do you have any sense now why for all the things that might bother an evangelical christian about donald trump. the ukraine phone call and interference there would have been the straw that broke the camel's back. >> right. i think it has a lot to do with power. i think it has to do with, you know, when they're looking at the situation. you know, this came out after, you know, the house voted to impeach trump. right? so we're seeing this as like in -- an exposing of the kind of immorality that might have grumbled about quietly. now, they get to trumpet out loud because they feel there may have been a slight shift in power. but i also do think, mark talked about it in his editorial. he thinks the case for impeachment was really clear. and he's not the only evangelical that thinks that. i also think there is something else right around that same time during the house impeachment vote that we heard the prsesidet referring to john dingell, the