like she -- >> wow. >> tripp, so i'll ask you what i asked elena. does kamala harris need to have a good showing before california? >> i completely agree. the famous rudy giuliani strategy was to wait until florida voted and ignore the early voting states. and expectations, whether you exceed them or underperform, are so important after the first two or three states vote. and you can't wait until california. >> does biden need to win iowa or new hampshire? can he wait until south carolina? >> well, history is against waiting -- doing poorly in the first two states. there hasn't been a democratic nominee with one exception is in 1992 in the modern era who has gone on to be the nominee who didn't win either iowa or new hampshire. so his campaign has been trying to lower expectations particularly in iowa. i think that they are already very low in new hampshire. so he could survive.