particularly interest. he is an ally of the president. close friends. he was giving the ambassadorship, he was given the ambassadorship to the eu in part because a large donor and an ally of president trump but you saw him distance himself without actively turning on the president, put some daylight between him, and say he was dismayed when he was told that rudy giuliani was going to be running essentially a shadow foreign diplomacy effort with ukraine. that he really thought that it should be the men and women of the state department, the career professionals, who are responsible for what happened between the united states and ukraine. now, that is very different from the text message traffic that we've seen between he and other officials last week, where he very, he seems to say, listen, i don't think the president has done anything wrong, and his testimony, he leaves open the possibility that the decision to empower rudy giuliani was the wrong thing to do. and that any statements he may have made about whether or not the president wanted ukraine to play ball, and some investigation, this all came from president trump, and that he would not have first-hand