>> do you still believe the nra is significantly less powerful because it really does not seem that way. >> i think they're significantly less powerful when it comes to what's happening at the state level or what's happening in the congressional races that we saw flipped in the last election and now omnivocoming up to another election. i think we'll see a different conversation happening within the democratic party and the senate races. are they weaker overall? >> yes, they are. are they still holding what appears to be a strangle hold on the current president? that does not surprise me because we see patterns to corporate interests across the board and not just on this issue. >> let me ask you two things the president says. he said lwayne la-pierre is not being misrepresented. >> he has never come out in favor of stronger background