>> i think they're a smoking gun on top of a smoking gun. as a prosecutor who did mob cases and public corruption cases for over 16 years. this to me if someone hands this to me to build a criminal case, i would be, you know, ecstatic. this is a really strong case that i can't wait to charge it and go to trial. >> in order to build that case, you have to get more information. >> this is administration are world class grand champion of stone walling and we can say it is inappropriate and they crossed the red line and they are laughing. is this time different? >> i think it is. here is why. before the mueller investigation looking back at something that happened. through a very narrow lens of only criminal offense. i think it is here. now, was it an abusive power or corruption or is it impeachable