now, but they're disillusioned with this president and they are considering a run against him in 2020. vanity fair has coined them the gop suicide squad. the chance of a primary candidate gaining steam against president trump is highly unlikely, and the trump white house is not surprisingly been a bit dismissive and unconcerned. kelly an conway told t"the washington post" none of them has risen to the level of a nickname. so that's your meter there. joining me now to this part of the conversation with my great panel here is from milwaukee is charlie sykes, msnbc contributor of the bulwark. david, ayesha and alfonso are back. i know i had this long intro that i wanted to talk about anthony scaramucci. charlie, did you -- i hope you heard the whole thing. what do you make? >> i did. >> what do you make of it? >> well, it's always great when people have their road to damascus conversion, and i