back the tide of redistricting as well as these ongoing efforts to limit access to the ballot. >> jonathan, i want to turn to pence's op-ed calling january 6th, quote, a power grab. while also saying the same thing about busting the filibuster for voting rights. what is pence trying to do here politically, and what sticks out to you about this op-ed? >> let's be clear. these two things are not equivalent. it's a real case of what-aboutism from the former vice president. this is all being done with his eye on 2024. the vice president, of course, is considering his own presidential campaign. he hasn't declared it yet, and some wonder if he will go through with it, if his former boss, donald trump, declares his own presidential campaign. but there's a real divide there between two men. pence is of course a loyal foot soldier, loyal vice president for donald trump for four years until the very end. he of course resisted calls from trump and other allies to try to