are these cases proving so hard to prove? >> they aren't being hard to prove. we aren't even getting to that point. the cases are being hung up on the question of standing, on who gets to do the challenge. so the second circuit case was dismissed and now one of two things will happen. it will go back to begin the discovery process, which will be fascinating. i would do anything to get to help in that where they'll find out who's spending what money in different hotels and restaurants. that discovery process would be fascinating. or the white house could stall and take it up to the full second circuit, which seems, you know, on brand for them as my children would say. that's on brand, they stall everything. those are the two options for the second circuit case. there's two more cases out there also on this standing issue about who gets to sue. they have conflicting results