>> so, elizabeth, we're looking at two leaders, disparate, though they might be, interlocked with interest? >> that's right. how much they're sympatico with each other. putin was joking, so was donald trump, about a major attack on our democratic system in 2016. let's not forget that. the other thing we need to remember is that when putin met with trump in germany in 2017, they were alone, only with a translator, with an interpreter and trump took the interpreter's notes from that conversation. they haven't been seen since. it's very interesting that they just disappeared. those conversations are usually kept within the government and as records of history. we don't have that. we don't know what transpired between those two leaders in